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Poster: Blade_Runner Date: Aug 27, 2010 4:14pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Patterns (1956)

That's exactly what I've been trying to tell you guys!

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Poster: skybandit Date: Aug 27, 2010 4:59pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Patterns (1956)

Larn sumpin noo ever day heah, hyuk.
Does it matter that the original play aired TWICE, since it was so popular that it won Serling an Emmy? Not arguing, just asking.

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Poster: DJason Date: Aug 27, 2010 8:36pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Patterns (1956)

Not only was the original drama aired twice (which was damned rare for live dramas of the time), the underlying script was published in book form, along with a number of Rod Serling's other live drama scripts -- Requiem for a Heavyweight, Old MacDonald Had A Curve, and The Rack.

http://www.rodserling.com/PPBintro.htm

And Serling's estate was/is very much on top of renewals, so I would bet - heavily - that the underlying script is still copyright.

That said, I really, REALLY am hoping that the original broadcast is PD, as I've never seen it, and the script is AMAZING. (I once owned a copy of said book.)

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Poster: Moongleam Date: Aug 28, 2010 1:17am
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Patterns (1956)

" . . . I would bet - heavily - that the underlying script is still copyright."

If it is, does that mean that the 1956 movie is not public domain?


Amazon shows that several companies have released it on DVD and VHS.

These two sites are selling it as PD:
http://www.buyoutfootage.com/pages/pd_comedydrama.html
http://retrofilmvault.com/index2.html

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Poster: DJason Date: Aug 28, 2010 7:12am
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Patterns (1956)

Sorry, I should have elucidated: I do not know if the script remaining copyright would affect the PD status of the broadcast performance of it, I simply tossed out more info for those with more expertise than I have.

At a guess - and it is ONLY a guess - I would say "no", that while the script is (very likely) still under copyright, the broadcast preceded publication of the script and is a separate, though derivative, work. That copyright was likely held by Kraft Television Theater, and I doubt it was renewed, as so few live dramas were.

But, again, I'm just guessin', and I ain't no stinkin' lawyer, so don't go by me. :)

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Poster: HektorT Date: Aug 29, 2010 8:10am
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Patterns (1956)

I don't think it mattered if the tv show was broadcast twice. I remember reading a case about this situation and the live broadcast was not considered a "publishing" event.

re: the screenplay. If the 1956 film was released before the Rod Serling book was copyrighted then as much of the book material that was used in the film screenplay would be considered published when the film was released. So then if the film was not copyrighted then the film is PD along with the screenplay (the appropriate reference is still the Batjac vs Goodtimes case)


This post was modified by HektorT on 2010-08-29 15:10:18

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Poster: DJason Date: Aug 29, 2010 8:36am
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Patterns (1956)

The book was published a year or more after the feature film was released (Serling compares the feature and the TV versions of Patterns in an essay).

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Poster: billbarstad Date: Aug 28, 2010 9:17am
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Patterns (1956)

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